From wilfried at cucbc.org Sun Feb 1 18:53:44 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 18:53:44 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Bumps programme crew lists Message-ID: Dear all, The following crews still haven't been entered for the Bumps programme (link www.thebumps.co.uk/crewlists): - Addies (Men and Women) - Anglia (Men and Women) - Christ's (Men) - Clare (Men) - Clare Hall (Men and Women) - Downing (Women) - Fitz (Women) - Homerton (Men and Women) - LMBC (Men and Women) - Pembroke (Men and Women) - Selwyn (Women) - St. Catz (Men) - St. Eds (Men and Women) - 1st & 3rd (Men) - Vet School (Men and Women) Can the relevant captains please do so ASAP. Best regards, Wilf. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Early push off, boating at an illegal time (first offence) ?25 (appealed) Fitzwilliam: Early push off, boating at an illegal time (first offence) ?25 LMBC: W1, M3 and M4 all out despite the two boats rule, boating at an illegal time (first offence) ?25. Best regards, Wilf. Genest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Tue Feb 3 14:40:09 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 14:40:09 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Bumps provisional starting order + GoR + Siging-up to umpire Message-ID: Dear all, Lent Bumps: Please find here the provisional start order and division times for the 2015 Lent Bumps (25th to 28th of February): http://www.cucbc.org/lents There will be 3 and 1/3 Men divisions and 2 and 2/3 Women divisions (same as last year). Getting on Race (GoR): The GoR will take place on Friday 20th February. It is run over the Colquhouns course (i.e. from the Little Bridge to a post 78 yards below the Railway Bridge). Further information will be sent in the coming few days. Please note that if a boat that had a place in the Bumps last year does get on, it will be returned to its original starting position (potentially above 1st boats which do not have to get on, for instance). Please note that no-one who has gained first Lent or May Colours or a Trial Cap, or who has rowed in, steered or been a reserve for any of the CUBC, CUWBC or CULRC crews may row in the Getting-on Race UNLESS the Getting-on Race crew concerned is the Club's second or third crew. (Rule 28) Please note that no-one who has rowed or steered in a successful boat in the Getting-On Race row or steer respectively in a higher boat during the races which follow, except with the permission of the Executive Committee, which shall usually be given only in cases of accident or illness. (Rule 29) Umpiring for the Bumps: A large number of umpires is required for the Bumps to run smoothly and fairly. Please sign up: http://www.cucbc.org/node/421 to contribute to the overall success of this term's Bumps. Best of luck, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Wed Feb 4 10:37:33 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:37:33 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Provisional Getting On Race Start Order Message-ID: <453AC1C4-4195-4366-A86F-A87DEB69169D@cucbc.org> Dear Captains A provisional GoR start order has been uploaded here http://www.cucbc.org/lents/gor. Further details will be circulated once final arrangements have been made. Please note that should you require a change of division, you must find another crew to swap with. Best Michael From wilfried at cucbc.org Thu Feb 5 13:10:39 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 13:10:39 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting Message-ID: Dear All, I have received a request from more than 15 Captains that a meeting should be called, and will therefore make suitable arrangements. I will be back in touch as soon as possible. With my best wishes, Dr David Munday, Chairman, Cambridge University Combined Boat Clubs ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at cuwbc.org.uk Fri Feb 6 17:28:02 2015 From: patrick at cuwbc.org.uk (Patrick Ryan) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 17:28:02 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] CUWBC Dev Squad Ergo sessions Message-ID: Dear all I hope all your training is going well. We have started running more ergo sessions this year. If interested please complete this link? and i will then send you a sign up sheet to come attend. Sessions start this coming Tuesday, with sessions on Thursday and Friday each week. More information on times etc once you have completed the link. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1HDmmlZ8SQzlKEacO7qjPTUGSWlz7FZL7nyMgSwfYYa8/viewform These sessions mainly talk about technical aspects with a small piece of work at the end of the session. Some dates for your diaries: Meeting Announcement: Where: Captains? Room at Goldie Boat House. When: 3rd March 5:30pm till 6pm Why: To discuss BUCS, Henley Women's Regatta and Dev. Squad. Selection for these events and Trialling 2016. 2k Test: Where: Goldie Boat House. When: 4th March 16:00pm till 18:00pm (sign up sheet will be available at meeting). You do not need to attend the ergo sessions to be included in any of our upcoming projects but you do need to do the ergo on the 4th of March. Please do email me with any questions you might have. Regards Paddy -- Patrick Ryan Assistant Coach Cambridge University Women's Boat Club www.cuwbc.org.uk https://www.facebook.com/cuwbc https://twitter.com/cuwbc The Goldie Boathouse Kimberley Road CAMBRIDGE CB4 1HG United Kingdom The Women's Boat Race is sponsored by Newton www.newton.co.uk CUWBC Lightweights are sponsored by KPMG www.kpmg.co.uk/careers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick at cuwbc.org.uk Fri Feb 6 17:30:52 2015 From: patrick at cuwbc.org.uk (Patrick Ryan) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 17:30:52 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] CUWBC Message-ID: <986A5E6A-5555-48DA-A5F1-C634C53074CD@cuwbc.org.uk> Dear Captains Hope your colleges are training hard and going fast. Obviously we are quite busy with the inaugural Boat Race on the tideway but if we can help for a session please let us know. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Paddy -- Patrick Ryan Assistant Coach Cambridge University Women's Boat Club www.cuwbc.org.uk https://www.facebook.com/cuwbc https://twitter.com/cuwbc The Goldie Boathouse Kimberley Road CAMBRIDGE CB4 1HG United Kingdom The Women's Boat Race is sponsored by Newton www.newton.co.uk CUWBC Lightweights are sponsored by KPMG www.kpmg.co.uk/careers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Fri Feb 6 20:31:10 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 20:31:10 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting Message-ID: Dear Captains, Thank you very much for the numerous replies (50 or so emails this afternoon from Captains, alumni, committee members, etc.) which I have received over the past few hours. I apologize if I haven't been able to address them personally. Of these, the following clubs agreed that I should resume preparation for the Lent Bumps based on its current format and that it is acceptable for the requested Captains' meeting to be held in early March to discuss what the number of divisions (and the procedure for deciding this) ought to be: Caius, King's, LMBC, Queens', Robinson, Wolfson (This is also the solution which the Senior Umpires and I are in favour of) The following clubs asked for the Captains' meeting to be held prior to the Bumps and to further discuss how the races should be organised this year: Christ's, Downing, Emmanuel, Pembroke Finally, though the following clubs kindly got in touch with me, I did not fully understand their position: Clare Hall, First and Third I would be glad if a few more clubs could share their views on this matter with me. Again, please understand that this situation is becoming increasingly hard to manage (I am still receiving incident reports and other such things, but I am lacking in time to address them at the moment). A prompt settlement of this would be good. Finally, I would really like to thank all of the people who have offered their help. In that vein, in my limited experience as CUCBC Hon. Sec. one of the factors which has compounded difficulties in running these races has been the repeated lack of consideration for deadlines (e.g. for CUCBC bills payment, Uni IV entry, Uni IV time availability, Bumps entry, eligibility concerns). Similarly, I was rather concerned by the low number of marshals turning up for Uni IVs (despite my numerous, numerous emails) and I would be very grateful if it could be ensured that this will not happen again for the Lent Bumps. It would therefore be wonderful if people could consider signing up to umpire: http://www.cucbc.org/node/421. Best regards, Wilf. 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So they knew they were in the wrong to go so fast through the village." Please remember that the river is shared by a lot of different communities (college rowers, town rowers, boathouse inhabitants, kayaks, fishermen, etc.) and that the current situation is the result of a fragile compromise between all parties involved. It may be useful to remind coaches of this (I regularly have to do so at Maggie). Finally, an email will be sent tomorrow about the date of the next Captains' meeting. If as a Captain you have not yet voiced an opinion on this issue, tonight is your last opportunity to do so. Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With my best wishes, Dr D J Munday, Chair CUCBC. ------ "Dear Chairman of CUCBC, We, the undersigned, call upon you to hold a Captains' Meeting to discuss the reduction in the number of divisions in the Lent Bumps 2015. The decision from the CUCBC senior committee to reduce the number of divisions and cut one day of racing has led to a frankly ridiculous situation, with every single second women's boat having to qualify, and over 400 people who want to row being prevented from racing. The reasoning that was supplied to us to explain this change is flawed and short-sighted. More importantly, as recorded in the minutes, the change was not debated with the captains or even voted on! It seems obvious that CUCBC has failed its own purpose, which is to "take into account the wishes of the college clubs", represented by their elected captains, and hence we wish to call a meeting to go back to AT LEAST 4 men's and 3 women's divisions. It is essential to the development of college and university rowing that the hundreds of rowers in lower boats do not become dissatisfied with rowing and decide to drop out. If going back to the original number of divisions requires that the racing take place over five days, then we demand our representatives and CUCBC to use the resources available to them and make this possible. Best Regards, The Captains of College Boat Clubs in the attached email thread" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I look forward to meeting with you this evening, Nick Jones Selwyn BC Captain > On 11 Feb 2015, at 12:30, Wilfried Genest wrote: > > Dear all, > > May I remind you first that an extraordinary Captains' meeting will take place this evening (11 February) from 18:00 to 19:00 in the Large Lecture Theatre in the School of Divinity at St John's. Please be on time. > > > The meeting this evening was called in response to the letter copied below , and the agenda therefore consists of one item, namely consideration of the issues raised. Also attached is a response from the committees. May I remind you that Captains' meetings are not an open forum but attendance and voting (two votes per club) is limited to current captains according to the list held by CUCBC, and CUCBC committee members. I look forward to a useful and I hope fruitful meeting. > > > > With my best wishes, > > Dr D J Munday, Chair CUCBC. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > "Dear Chairman of CUCBC, > > > > We, the undersigned, call upon you to hold a Captains' Meeting to discuss the reduction in the number of divisions in the Lent Bumps 2015. > > > > The decision from the CUCBC senior committee to reduce the number of divisions and cut one day of racing has led to a frankly ridiculous situation, with every single second women's boat having to qualify, and over 400 people who want to row being prevented from racing. > > > > The reasoning that was supplied to us to explain this change is flawed and short-sighted. More importantly, as recorded in the minutes, the change was not debated with the captains or even voted on! > > > > It seems obvious that CUCBC has failed its own purpose, which is to "take into account the wishes of the college clubs", represented by their elected captains, and hence we wish to call a meeting to go back to AT LEAST 4 men's and 3 women's divisions. > > > > It is essential to the development of college and university rowing that the hundreds of rowers in lower boats do not become dissatisfied with rowing and decide to drop out. If going back to the original number of divisions requires that the racing take place over five days, then we demand our representatives and CUCBC to use the resources available to them and make this possible. > > > > Best Regards, > > The Captains of College Boat Clubs in the attached email thread" > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > CUCBC Captains' Mailing List > captains at lists.cucbc.org > > List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.convey at btinternet.com Wed Feb 11 15:54:39 2015 From: peter.convey at btinternet.com (PETER CONVEY) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:54:39 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting reminder and message from CUCBC chair In-Reply-To: <78505615-0ABA-43EA-818A-C88E7BCBB7DA@cam.ac.uk> References: <78505615-0ABA-43EA-818A-C88E7BCBB7DA@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1423670079.14924.YahooMailNeo@web87804.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear Nick thanks for your e-mail. With reference to your first question, the Constitution point 12 is the relevant one: "That the committee or any person intending to bring forward a motion at a general meeting shall ensure that a copy of the motion be given to the Secretary at least three days before a meeting and the Secretary shall ensure that all such motions are circulated with notice of the meeting." As far as I am aware, no specific motion has been proposed or circulated; I am obviously very aware that various captains see a burning issue that they wish to 'discuss', but that is not the same as proposing a motion. Not least, should a motion be proposed to do something that is not possible to do, then whether or not it is passed becomes irrelevant. With reference to your second point, my 'hypothesis' is not that 'poor quality rowing makes the cover invalid' as you put it. The emphasis is different: our insurance covers the CUCBC and its officials against claims, on the basis that in running the races we 'do our jobs' properly. If however, it can be shown (or even claimed) that we have been negligent, let alone reckless, in the way we have run things then that could indeed invalidate our insurance (and would also invalidate other similar forms of insurance). This is a standard property of insurance policies - we have not discussed this specific debate that has come up in the very recent past with our insurers, but over time we have had many discussions with them relating to limits and circumstances of our insurance - in essence to what we can control and what we cannot. It is very clear that one thing we should be able to have some control over is ensuring that events such as the bumps are only open to entry by crews capable of dealing with this form of racing, which is both complex and potentially dangerous if not done properly. In a circumstance such as now, we - i.e. our officers and race officials - have very clearly and publicly warning that we recognise a risk due to inexperience and lack of competence, based on hard experience of increasing difficulties and accidents over the last several years. As a result we are stating in the strongest terms that we will not run an event with further divisions than is the case at present, or until such time as we have confidence that the deficiency has been solved. (Some) captains clearly wish to pressurise us to increase the number of divisions now. This has two answers: (a) if, in theory, they could simply vote and force us to do so, then we would be directly going against our own very clear advice and assessment of the risks. In legal and insurance terms this would clearly lead to an accusation of negligence and recklessness; in practice there would then be a process to be followed by which the insurer would decide whether or not to deny us cover, or to decide liability, in the event of any accident. Without prejudging the outcome of that, I have to point out that if we lose our overall cover, then liability will then fall on our officials and the crews and coaches involved in any accident and, if the accident involves serious, life threatening or long term injury, or death, then it can and will run into millions. No Club such as CUCBC, never? mind the individuals involved, can afford to even conceive of taking that risk on themselves. However, the second answer, (b), is that should captains attempt to follow that line and enforce the type of changes being discussed on the lists, web etc, then quite simply this will be taken as a vote of no confidence in current committees and officials - if passed, they will be forced to resign, and even if not passed they may well still do so, as the reality is that the running of an event such as Bumps requires mutual confidence from both sides, and this recent debate has severely damaged that, to the extent that your voluntary officials may well quite simply have had enough. If this does happen, there will be no organisation and no experienced officials to run an event, and any attempt to do so in an ad hoc way really will be seen as reckless by our insurers (never mind the University and College authorities themselves!). In reality, with such an outcome there will be no Lent races at all this year, and it is far from clear how easy it would be to resurrect them in future. All of this sounds very negative, I am aware. I have been a Chief Umpire or equivalent since 1984, and Chaired CUCBC for the first decade after its creation. Believe me I and our other officials fundamentally wish to increase the opportunity and quality of college rowing, and that at all levels. But that desire has to be set into the context of reality. The present training system has hit the buffers, and with a long term view this is a recent event. Things cannot continue as they are, either in terms of the issues surrounding the Bumps specifically that have caused the current debate, or in how training and indeed the entire annual race calendar we have are constructed and used. As per my document, we really need all of us (committees, captains, all interested parties) to think outside the box on this one, because the status quo is clearly not viable, and there is no magic wand solution. Whether or not I or other current officials remain involved very much depends on how this evening's meeting goes, but whether we stay or go, you current captains and your successors really do have a large and as yet unsolved challenge in front of you. Best wishes pete ________________________________ From: Nick Jones To: pcon at bas.ac.uk Cc: captains at lists.cucbc.org; seniorcommittee ; Wilfried Genest Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2015, 15:13 Subject: Re: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting reminder and message from CUCBC chair Dear Prof Convey, Thank you for your statement, which I found to be interesting reading. You raise some important points which do need discussing. Before tonight?s CUCBC meeting could you please clarify two things: 1) Which section of the CUCBC constitution do you interpret as meaning that a vote must be proposed prior to a meeting? 2) Has the CUCBC insurer ever been contacted to discuss if poor quality rowing makes the cover invalid, as hypothesised in your statement? If so, what was the response? It is important that we have this information before tonight?s meeting so all can act accordingly. I look forward to meeting with you this evening, Nick Jones Selwyn BC Captain? On 11 Feb 2015, at 12:30, Wilfried Genest wrote: > >Dear all, > > >May I remind you first that an extraordinary Captains' meeting will take place this evening (11 February) from 18:00 to 19:00 in the Large Lecture Theatre in the School of Divinity at St John's. Please be on time. > > >The meeting this evening was called in response to the letter copied below , and the agenda therefore consists of one item, namely consideration of the issues raised. Also attached is a response from the committees. May I remind you that Captains' meetings are not an open forum but attendance and voting (two votes per club) is limited to current captains according to the list held by CUCBC, and CUCBC committee members. I look forward to a useful and I hope fruitful meeting. >? >With my best wishes, >Dr D J Munday, Chair CUCBC. > > > > >------ > > >? >"Dear Chairman of CUCBC, >? >We, the undersigned, call upon you to hold a Captains' Meeting to discuss the reduction in the number of divisions in the Lent Bumps 2015. >? >The decision from the CUCBC senior committee to reduce the number of divisions and cut one day of racing has led to a frankly ridiculous situation, with every single second women's boat having to qualify, and over 400 people who want to row being prevented from racing. >? >The reasoning that was supplied to us to explain this change is flawed and short-sighted. More importantly, as recorded in the minutes, the change was not debated with the captains or even voted on! >? >It seems obvious that CUCBC has failed its own purpose, which is to "take into account the wishes of the college clubs", represented by their elected captains, and hence we wish to call a meeting to go back to AT LEAST 4 men's and 3 women's divisions. >? >It is essential to the development of college and university rowing that the hundreds of rowers in lower boats do not become dissatisfied with rowing and decide to drop out. If going back to the original number of divisions requires that the racing take place over five days, then we demand our representatives and CUCBC to use the resources available to them and make this possible. >? >Best Regards, >The Captains of College Boat Clubs in the attached email thread" >? >? >? >? >? >__________ >CUCBC Captains' Mailing List >captains at lists.cucbc.org > >List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.convey at btinternet.com Wed Feb 11 16:35:12 2015 From: peter.convey at btinternet.com (PETER CONVEY) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:35:12 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting reminder and message from CUCBC chair In-Reply-To: <9591900A-E535-4713-B887-8321D2E3A71D@cam.ac.uk> References: <78505615-0ABA-43EA-818A-C88E7BCBB7DA@cam.ac.uk> <1423670079.14924.YahooMailNeo@web87804.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9591900A-E535-4713-B887-8321D2E3A71D@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1423672512.40424.YahooMailNeo@web87801.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear Nick just quickly ... ref (1) we're very open to discussions of process and improving it. As soon as one gets into constitutions and rules, one very quickly gets tied up in specific wordings, though in reality these are important. Votes also have to be phrased very carefully, and deal with matters that are both feasible to vote on, and achievable on the ground rather than just in 'ideal' thinking - a motion requires a lot more than some vague 'vote on CUCBC decisions...', it has to deal with something specific, in a specific manner. My own feeling is that much of what might be discussed this evening would be better then taken away by subgroups (involving our own committees and interested captains), charged with coming forward with specific proposal(s) and justifications for change that really can be considered carefully and objectively by subsequent captains meetings. ref (2), in reality you have to take a very specific question to an insurer, which is not what is available to us here. If we were to try here, what would we ask? From my position we would ask something like 'we consider a significant proportion of crews have insufficient competence to race, however our captains have over-ruled us and want to force us to race them anyway; would you cover us in this situation against accidents arising from crew inexperience?'? I'm pretty sure you know as well as I do that the response to such a question will be along the lines 'You will be b******y idiots if you go ahead and race in this circumstance, and we are not touching you with a bargepole'!! I have significant experience in the area of 'risk assessment', as obviously does our own Saftey Officer. I can be very clear that, should some form of serious accident occur in a situation where we can be seen to have ignored or done something diametrically opposite to our own considered assessment and advice, then we would be on incredibly weak ground in legal terms, and such an action would be extremely likely in a court to see us found liable. As far as our insurer is concerned, we are deemed competent to undertake the risk assessment required to plan for likely eventualities during the event, and have measures in place to deal with these. We have also previously confirmed with them that our interpretation of certain risks is correct. They are satisfied that having identified a risk, we will not proceed without appropriate mitigation in place - and the quid pro quo to that is if we identify a risk, do nothing, and yet still proceed, then we rapidly bring responsibility and fault on to ourselves. I hope tonight's discussion is constructive and properly engaged by us all! pete ________________________________ From: Nick Jones To: PETER CONVEY Cc: "pcon at bas.ac.uk" ; seniorcommittee ; "captains at lists.cucbc.org" ; Wilfried Genest Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2015, 16:15 Subject: Re: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting reminder and message from CUCBC chair Dear Peter, Thank you for getting back to me so quickly in the middle of the day - I appreciate that use of your time. I?m sure neither of us or the many CCed want this to turn into a discussion by email but I just thought I?d respond to say thank you and raise a couple of points that follow from your reply: 1) The agenda of the meeting is to discuss the issues raised in the letter from the fifteen(+?) captains. The letter refers to voting on CUCBC decisions (para. 3). It is a subjective matter but a reasonable person could infer that the meeting would therefore include a vote, given that a vote is an issue raised in the letter. At the very least, tonight may be a good place to discuss a change to the democratic processes of CUCBC, since there appears to be concern among the captains that votes do not happen as a matter of course. 2) Than you for confirming that the insurance company has not been contacted. I understand the issue raised here but I am worried, and I am sure I am ?not the only one, that such fear of litigation leads to a cotton-wool approach to life, where we try to sanitise a sporting event which has an inherent danger associated with it. No-one one wants to be sued but then we also don?t want to choke ourselves with fear. Again, this is a ripe area for discussion. Anyway, I hope that the Captains and other CUCBC members will be able to come to a resolution tonight which will address these issues and also deal with the large challenge you mention, which will require some good long-term thinking. Regards, Nick On 11 Feb 2015, at 15:54, PETER CONVEY wrote: > >Dear Nick > >thanks for your e-mail. > >With reference to your first question, the Constitution point 12 is the relevant one: "That the committee or any person intending to bring forward a motion at a general meeting shall ensure that a copy of the motion be given to the Secretary at least three days before a meeting and the Secretary shall ensure that all such motions are circulated with notice of the meeting." > >As far as I am aware, no specific motion has been proposed or circulated; I am obviously very aware that various captains see a burning issue that they wish to 'discuss', but that is not the same as proposing a motion. Not least, should a motion be proposed to do something that is not possible to do, then whether or not it is passed becomes irrelevant. > >With reference to your second point, my 'hypothesis' is not that 'poor quality rowing makes the cover invalid' as you put it. The emphasis is different: our insurance covers the CUCBC and its officials against claims, on the basis that in running the races we 'do our jobs' properly. If however, it can be shown (or even claimed) that we have been negligent, let alone reckless, in the way we have run things then that could indeed invalidate our insurance (and would also invalidate other similar forms of insurance). This is a standard property of insurance policies - we have not discussed this specific debate that has come up in the very recent past with our insurers, but over time we have had many discussions with them relating to limits and circumstances of our insurance - in essence to what we can control and what we cannot. It is very clear that one thing we should be able to have some control over is ensuring that events such as the bumps are only open to entry by crews capable of dealing with this form of racing, which is both complex and potentially dangerous if not done properly. > >In a circumstance such as now, we - i.e. our officers and race officials - have very clearly and publicly warning that we recognise a risk due to inexperience and lack of competence, based on hard experience of increasing difficulties and accidents over the last several years. As a result we are stating in the strongest terms that we will not run an event with further divisions than is the case at present, or until such time as we have confidence that the deficiency has been solved. (Some) captains clearly wish to pressurise us to increase the number of divisions now. This has two answers: (a) if, in theory, they could simply vote and force us to do so, then we would be directly going against our own very clear advice and assessment of the risks. In legal and insurance terms this would clearly lead to an accusation of negligence and recklessness; in practice there would then be a process to be followed by which the insurer would decide whether or not to deny us cover, or to decide liability, in the event of any accident. Without prejudging the outcome of that, I have to point out that if we lose our overall cover, then liability will then fall on our officials and the crews and coaches involved in any accident and, if the accident involves serious, life threatening or long term injury, or death, then it can and will run into millions. No Club such as CUCBC, never? mind the individuals involved, can afford to even conceive of taking that risk on themselves. However, the second answer, (b), is that should captains attempt to follow that line and enforce the type of changes being discussed on the lists, web etc, then quite simply this will be taken as a vote of no confidence in current committees and officials - if passed, they will be forced to resign, and even if not passed they may well still do so, as the reality is that the running of an event such as Bumps requires mutual confidence from both sides, and this recent debate has severely damaged that, to the extent that your voluntary officials may well quite simply have had enough. If this does happen, there will be no organisation and no experienced officials to run an event, and any attempt to do so in an ad hoc way really will be seen as reckless by our insurers (never mind the University and College authorities themselves!). In reality, with such an outcome there will be no Lent races at all this year, and it is far from clear how easy it would be to resurrect them in future. > > > >All of this sounds very negative, I am aware. I have been a Chief Umpire or equivalent since 1984, and Chaired CUCBC for the first decade after its creation. Believe me I and our other officials fundamentally wish to increase the opportunity and quality of college rowing, and that at all levels. But that desire has to be set into the context of reality. The present training system has hit the buffers, and with a long term view this is a recent event. Things cannot continue as they are, either in terms of the issues surrounding the Bumps specifically that have caused the current debate, or in how training and indeed the entire annual race calendar we have are constructed and used. As per my document, we really need all of us (committees, captains, all interested parties) to think outside the box on this one, because the status quo is clearly not viable, and there is no magic wand solution. > > >Whether or not I or other current officials remain involved very much depends on how this evening's meeting goes, but whether we stay or go, you current captains and your successors really do have a large and as yet unsolved challenge in front of you. > > >Best wishes >pete > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Nick Jones >To: pcon at bas.ac.uk >Cc: captains at lists.cucbc.org; seniorcommittee ; Wilfried Genest >Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2015, 15:13 >Subject: Re: [CUCBC Captains] Captains' meeting reminder and message from CUCBC chair > > > >Dear Prof Convey, > > >Thank you for your statement, which I found to be interesting reading. You raise some important points which do need discussing. Before tonight?s CUCBC meeting could you please clarify two things: > > >1) Which section of the CUCBC constitution do you interpret as meaning that a vote must be proposed prior to a meeting? >2) Has the CUCBC insurer ever been contacted to discuss if poor quality rowing makes the cover invalid, as hypothesised in your statement? If so, what was the response? > > >It is important that we have this information before tonight?s meeting so all can act accordingly. > > >I look forward to meeting with you this evening, >Nick Jones >Selwyn BC Captain? > > > > >On 11 Feb 2015, at 12:30, Wilfried Genest wrote: >> >>Dear all, >> >> >>May I remind you first that an extraordinary Captains' meeting will take place this evening (11 February) from 18:00 to 19:00 in the Large Lecture Theatre in the School of Divinity at St John's. Please be on time. >> >> >>The meeting this evening was called in response to the letter copied below , and the agenda therefore consists of one item, namely consideration of the issues raised. Also attached is a response from the committees. May I remind you that Captains' meetings are not an open forum but attendance and voting (two votes per club) is limited to current captains according to the list held by CUCBC, and CUCBC committee members. I look forward to a useful and I hope fruitful meeting. >>? >>With my best wishes, >>Dr D J Munday, Chair CUCBC. >> >> >> >> >>------ >> >> >>? >>"Dear Chairman of CUCBC, >>? >>We, the undersigned, call upon you to hold a Captains' Meeting to discuss the reduction in the number of divisions in the Lent Bumps 2015. >>? >>The decision from the CUCBC senior committee to reduce the number of divisions and cut one day of racing has led to a frankly ridiculous situation, with every single second women's boat having to qualify, and over 400 people who want to row being prevented from racing. >>? >>The reasoning that was supplied to us to explain this change is flawed and short-sighted. More importantly, as recorded in the minutes, the change was not debated with the captains or even voted on! >>? >>It seems obvious that CUCBC has failed its own purpose, which is to "take into account the wishes of the college clubs", represented by their elected captains, and hence we wish to call a meeting to go back to AT LEAST 4 men's and 3 women's divisions. >>? >>It is essential to the development of college and university rowing that the hundreds of rowers in lower boats do not become dissatisfied with rowing and decide to drop out. If going back to the original number of divisions requires that the racing take place over five days, then we demand our representatives and CUCBC to use the resources available to them and make this possible. >>? >>Best Regards, >>The Captains of College Boat Clubs in the attached email thread" >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>__________ >>CUCBC Captains' Mailing List >>captains at lists.cucbc.org >> >>List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org >> > > >__________ >CUCBC Captains' Mailing List >captains at lists.cucbc.org > >List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Thu Feb 12 09:44:03 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:44:03 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Lent 2015 Bumps Message-ID: Dear Captains, Thank you very much for coming en masse to yesterday's meeting. Minutes will be uploaded on the CUCBC website tonight.This is the statement that Mark Jacobs had drafted ahead of the meeting but after Prof. Convey's letter had been sent: "With the current training regime in place, we believe that a culture change needs to take place whereby those crews composed largely or entirely of the Michaelmas intake and with a lower-commitment training schedule should target the May Bumps as their first set of bumping races. This would give them more time to gain experience of a racing environment as well as allowing them (slightly) higher quality water time in Easter term to complement the 20 or so outings already undertaken. We do not suggest that Michaelmas novices have no place in or should be excluded from the Lent Bumps, or that attempts to prove themselves in the GoR would be unwelcome, only that clubs should be realistic in their ability to train a large squad to a required standard in a very short space of time." A further extraordinary meeting will take place later this term. The Darwin Captain has suggested that this could be followed this by a CUCBC dinner at Darwin. The exact date is still being decided but will most likely be a Sunday evening. May I remind everyone that we still need umpires for the Bumps: http://www.cucbc.org/node/421 Finally, could all captains start taking pre-orders for the Bumps programme (?3 pre-ordered, ?3.50 otherwise)? The deadline for pre-ordering programmes is Saturday 21st February (I will need final figure for every club by then and a cheque of the corresponding amount can be given at the Captains' meeting on the 22nd of February). More GoR information will be circulated shortly - could all clubs wanting to scratch crews start emailing Michael Thornton and myself asap (already got a few emails but it's much easier to deal with this now rather than closer to the GoR). Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. 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We would off course cover whatever costs/storage fees are necessary. I am therefore asking, if at all possible if you have any space in or around your boathouse where we could store this boat? Or if not have any suggestions of know of anywhere that may do? Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you soon, Best wishes, Christina - boatclub-captain at murrayedwards.cam.ac.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Sat Feb 14 00:02:03 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:02:03 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] GoR Notes For Competitors Message-ID: <3EEEB3A4-FBDD-4FFF-9966-C991509627CA@cucbc.org> Dear Captains Please find attached Notes for Competitors for the Getting on Race. Please ensure that all racing crews are familiar with the Marshalling Plan, along with the rest of the document. As an aside, I would like to draw your attention to the scratches section. In particular, crews scratching before 5PM on Wednesday will receive a full refund. Please raise any issues with me, as opposed to Wilf, to reduce the chances of your emails getting lost. Best Michael Thornton From michael at cucbc.org Sat Feb 14 00:05:26 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:05:26 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] [CUCBC Coxes] GoR Notes For Competitors In-Reply-To: <3EEEB3A4-FBDD-4FFF-9966-C991509627CA@cucbc.org> References: <3EEEB3A4-FBDD-4FFF-9966-C991509627CA@cucbc.org> Message-ID: <4F634165-9318-4DA4-9863-9B152833ED57@cucbc.org> Document attached -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GoR Notes.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 49446 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- On 14 Feb 2015, at 00:02, Michael Thornton wrote: > Dear Captains > > Please find attached Notes for Competitors for the Getting on Race. Please ensure that all racing crews are familiar with the Marshalling Plan, along with the rest of the document. > > As an aside, I would like to draw your attention to the scratches section. In particular, crews scratching before 5PM on Wednesday will receive a full refund. > > Please raise any issues with me, as opposed to Wilf, to reduce the chances of your emails getting lost. > > Best > Michael Thornton > __________ > CUCBC Coxes Mailing List > coxes at lists.cucbc.org > > Unsubscribe: Send blank email with subject "unsubscribe" to coxes-request at lists.cucbc.org > > List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org From mark at cucbc.org Sun Feb 15 23:34:24 2015 From: mark at cucbc.org (Mark Jacobs) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:34:24 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Lents Bumps 2015: 10-outing declaration form Message-ID: <54E12D00.10103@cucbc.org> Dear All, Attached is the 10-outing declaration for the 2015 Lent Bumps. All crews competing in bumps should have completed 10 or more outings prior to the Getting on Race this Friday. Any crew failing this requirement will not be permitted to compete, though please contact me to discuss before scratching crews if you think that your situation merits discussion. We understand that crew lineups do not necessarily remain the same every outing, however we expect that every individual member of the crew has had at least 8 outings this term. If you do not meet this requirement for any of your rowers, please contact me to discuss the situation. Races this term DO count towards the 10-outing total, though the GoR does NOT count. Any other questions, please let me know. Forms should be returned to me before 23.59 on Wednesday 18th February; I won't chase them but any club failing to return a form in good time will not be eligible to race. 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To sign up: http://www.cucbc.org/node/421 For some healthy competition, this is how many umpires have been provided by each club so far: Christ?s x3 Clare x2 Corpus Christi x1 Downing x1 Emmanuel x5 First & Third x2 Fitzwilliam x4 Girton x3 Jesus x2 King?s x7 Lady Margaret x2 Magdalene x1 Murray Edwards x2 Newnham x7 No College x1 Peterhouse x2 Queens? x2 Robinson x2 Selwyn x2 Sidney Sussex x2 St Catharine?s x8 Trinity Hall x1 Wolfson x2 Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Mon Feb 16 09:26:46 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:26:46 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] College training at Ely Message-ID: Dear captains, Following recent reports of club training at Ely, CUCBC wishes to remind all captains that the regulation of off-Cam training is beyond its remit and ability. The CUCBC constitution refers to the river between Jesus Green and Bottisham Locks. If the captains and CU presidents were to come to agreement of a set of principles covering use of the river at Ely the agreed rules could be included as an appendix to the Handbook. There is no de facto ban on training at Ely, however permission must be sought from and granted by the appropriate president (CUBC or CUWBC). Moreover, boating facilities at Ely are limited and proper permission must also be granted by the owner of any land a club wishes to boat from. Following a recent meeting with the CUBC president, we understand that permission to train at Ely will now only be granted for 'exceptional circumstances' (e.g. seat racing, sparring with a university crew, prolonged absence of any university crews, etc.) and not for regular training. Best regards, Dr David Munday CUCBC Chair Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the captains and CU presidents were to come to agreement of a set of principles covering use of the river at Ely the agreed rules could be included as an appendix to the Handbook. > > There is no de facto ban on training at Ely, however permission must be sought from and granted by the appropriate president (CUBC or CUWBC). Moreover, boating facilities at Ely are limited and proper permission must also be granted by the owner of any land a club wishes to boat from. > > Following a recent meeting with the CUBC president, we understand that permission to train at Ely will now only be granted for 'exceptional circumstances' (e.g. seat racing, sparring with a university crew, prolonged absence of any university crews, etc.) and not for regular training. > > Best regards, > Dr David Munday > CUCBC Chair > > Wilf. Genest > CUCBC Hon. 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Best Michael From mark at cucbc.org Wed Feb 18 14:22:25 2015 From: mark at cucbc.org (Mark Jacobs) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:22:25 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Fwd: Lents Bumps 2015: 10-outing declaration form In-Reply-To: <54E12D00.10103@cucbc.org> References: <54E12D00.10103@cucbc.org> Message-ID: Dear All, The deadline for submission of the 10-outing declarations is tonight. I have yet to receive forms from the following clubs: Clare Hall Darwin Emmanuel Fitzwilliam Girton Jesus Magdalene Pembroke Sidney Sussex St Edmunds Trinity Hall Later this evening I'll ask a small selection of you to submit your outing logs for inspection. Please note that an online outing organiser is not the same thing as a record of outings actually undertaken (and which you should keep, as per your Michaelmas declarations) - anyone submitting a log showing that their W3 has been training during yellow flag periods will have a hard time convincing me that they have maintained an accurate record! Regards, Mark Jacobs CUCBC Safety Advisor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Jacobs Date: 15 February 2015 at 23:34 Subject: Lents Bumps 2015: 10-outing declaration form To: CUCBC Captains Dear All, Attached is the 10-outing declaration for the 2015 Lent Bumps. All crews competing in bumps should have completed 10 or more outings prior to the Getting on Race this Friday. Any crew failing this requirement will not be permitted to compete, though please contact me to discuss before scratching crews if you think that your situation merits discussion. We understand that crew lineups do not necessarily remain the same every outing, however we expect that every individual member of the crew has had at least 8 outings this term. If you do not meet this requirement for any of your rowers, please contact me to discuss the situation. Races this term DO count towards the 10-outing total, though the GoR does NOT count. Any other questions, please let me know. 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To ensure fairness, the number of marshals required from each club was computed using a (complicated...) formula which took into account the number of boats entered into the Bumps by each club and the number of umpires provided by each club. Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian at ianfarrell.org Thu Feb 19 17:15:55 2015 From: ian at ianfarrell.org (Ian Farrell) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:15:55 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Cambridge Nines spring regatta 2015 Message-ID: <4CCED771-306F-404E-9614-6FFF1509F570@ianfarrell.org> Dear all Sunday 24 May sees our annual 'Cambridge Nines' Spring Regatta. This 1000m side-by-side race up the Long Reach is an enjoyable afternoon of racing in 8s , and the perfect preparation for May bumps. Come and practise those racing starts and size up the opposition in your division. The regatta is a plate competition, meaning everyone will get at least two races. We'll run divisions back-to-back, so racing should be complete in about 2 hours.* Pots will be awarded to the winning crews at the Cambridge '99 RC boathouse later in the afternoon, and the club fielding the most winning crews will be awarded bonus prize of a slab of beer. Last year, as an experiment, we changed the way we organised your entries into races to make the event smoother and minimise delays. This worked well so we'd like to keep the same format in 2015. We will rank crews in order of their standing at the end of the last May Bumps and pick out groups of 8 crews to form divisions. This will mean you'll be racing crews that are likely in the same Mays division as you? ?but there is a chance you could be racing a crew in a division higher or lower at some point. We'll also take entries from town CRA clubs and Graduate and Alumni crews. Please submit your entries to regatta at nines.rowing.org.uk by Fri 15 May 2014. Payment of ?48 per crew can be made by cheque (payable to 'Cambridge 99 RC Ltd' which can be dropped off at the boathouse any time before race day) We look forward to seeing you at the regatta on 24 May. - The Cambridge '99 Rowing Club * Last-minute scratchings or odd numbers of entries in a division may require a crew to be given a bye through to the next round. This may reduce the number of races, or could necessitate a wait while other crews race. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Fri Feb 20 21:22:39 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:22:39 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] GoR Results Message-ID: <091C20BF-C448-41CE-92DF-D3457F6EB112@cucbc.org> Dear Captains The Getting-On Race results have now been published on the web http://www.cucbc.org/lents/gor and the start order has been updated. Best Michael From wilfried at cucbc.org Fri Feb 20 22:55:07 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:55:07 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Bumps programmes Message-ID: Dear all, Well done to everyone who took part in the Getting on Race today. Please remember to let me know how many programmes your club wished to pre-order by tomorrow evening. Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Sat Feb 21 12:07:10 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:07:10 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Bung starts Message-ID: Dear captains, I was asked the following question today: "So bung starts are allowed from outside the boathouses in the couple of days leading up to bumps. I was just wondering whether the two boat rule still applied for solely doing starts (the first 5-10 stroke just to get our bank party used to pushing off)." To which the answer is: "So long as there are only two boats out in the first 30 minutes or so after lighting down then as far as I am concerned, I do not think that there is a problem with having more boats out to do bung starts. This two boats rule exist to reduce traffic not to turn training into a logistical nightmare. (And the Bumps will be a lot safer if everyone has the chance to rehearse bung starts!)" Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stcs at firstandthird.org Sat Feb 21 19:02:37 2015 From: stcs at firstandthird.org (Matthew Crowe) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:02:37 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Second Trinity Challenge Sculls - Tuesday 10th March Message-ID: <54E8D64D.4030904@firstandthird.org> Dear All, First and Third Trinity Boat Club will be running Second Trinity Challenge Sculls (STCS) on Tuesday 10th March from 2pm. The event is a 2600m upstream head race from Little Bridge to Peter's Posts and will consist of a single division. The categories are: M1x (fine), M1x (restricted), W1x (fine), W1x (restricted), M2x, W2x, Mixed 2x, M2-, W2- Tankards will be presented to the winners of events with 4+ entries. Entry is ?8 per seat. Entries will open shortly, details to follow. If you have any questions, please let me know. Best, Matt -- Matthew Crowe STCS and Talbott Cup Race Secretary First and Third Trinity Boat Club Trinity College stcs at firstandthird.org Proudly Sponsored by Cantab Capital Partners LLP www.cantabcapital.com From talbottcup at firstandthird.org Sat Feb 21 20:01:48 2015 From: talbottcup at firstandthird.org (Matthew Crowe) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 20:01:48 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] The Talbott Cup - Tuesday 10th March Message-ID: <54E8E42C.6020103@firstandthird.org> Dear All, Entries for The Talbott Cup, First & Third's Lent Term Novice Regatta, will be opening soon. The Talbott Cup was created two years ago to provide increased racing opportunity for lower boats which are often disadvantaged by the Pembroke Regatta categorization system and the reduction of bumps divisions. After the success of last year's event, the race will be run on Tuesday 10th March, from 2pm. Entries are open to boats no higher than M3s/W2s, although exceptional entries (M2s of predominately ex-novices) may be permitted on a case-by-case basis. The regatta is, however, intended for lower boats' rowers and as such we ask that no rower enter who has competed in any Bumps in an M1, M2 or W1. The race will be run in a similar style to Pembroke Regatta with divisions for W2, M3, W3 and M4. Entry details to follow shortly. If you have any questions, please let me know. Best, Matt -- Matthew Crowe STCS and Talbott Cup Race Secretary First and Third Trinity Boat Club Trinity College talbottcup at firstandthird.org Proudly Sponsored by Cantab Capital Partners LLP www.cantabcapital.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Sun Feb 22 09:14:04 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:14:04 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captain's meeting + eligibility Message-ID: Dear Captains, Please remember today's meeting (17:00-17:30). Please also see the following message below. Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. It has come to our attention that you have been emailed about an eligibility decision concerning St Edmund's W1. In the interests of transparency please find below the reasons and timescale behind the decision making process. These have been expressly detailed to St Edmund's in their correspondence with us. The situation concerns a person associated with St Edmund's that they would like to compete in their W1 in bumps. This was first brought to our attention by their captain in an email on 19th January where they requested permission for a Fellow to row in their W1, a request that, if confirmed, would be permitted as this is their only womens' crew in bumps. However it was later clarified, and has subsequently been reconfirmed on more that one occasion by St. Edmund's College authorities, that this person is not a Fellow and therefore further clarification was requested, in particular as to whether they are a paid employee of the college (which is the only other accepted category of 'exceptional' rower for non-students). An email received from their Senior Treasurer on 26th January provided all the necessary information to confirm that the person concerned was not of the status (Fellow or bona fide College employee) that is required to accept an 'exceptional rower' request, and we therefore made and promulgated the decision that the request was rejected, along with the reasons, on that same day. We also advised at that point, and have subsequently repeated this advice, that St Edmund's should search amongst other College boat clubs for excess rowers, who would be eligible to compete in their W1 as this is their only boat. Therefore we refute in the strongest terms the allegation that the request was not addressed or responded to in a timely basis. St Edmund's BC have subsequently repeatedly appealed this decision, including escalating this with an email from their Master, but our assessment and response has remained the same. There can be no claim that the decision was made very late, rather St Edmund's seem to be simply refusing to accept the decision made, and carrying on regardless assuming that a new decision will somehow be made in their favour however close it is to the races starting. The reasons for this decision are as follows: 1. Existing rules are clear on the eligibility of Fellows and bona fide College employees, and the person concerned, as admitted by St Edmund's College authorities, is neither a Fellow nor an employee of St Edmund's. 2. Opening up the eligibility criteria to allow for non-specific people associated with colleges would allow a very large number of people loosely associated with a college to compete without restriction in bumps. Indeed, in recent years several directly parallel requests for people who are partners/spouses of bona fide students or Fellows, or people who are genuine 'supporters' of the College but with no formal employed position, have been rejected. To allow the current request would clearly be unfair to the Colleges affected by those decisions, and in contradiction of those decisions. 3. Bumps is primarily a STUDENT competition. The rules as have been laid out over many years represent the wishes of the members of CUCBC (i.e. including you, the captains) in ensuring that it remains so. 4. Many such requests have been rejected in the past on the same basis. Changing the rules on the basis of a single entrant would invalidate the justification behind the precedent that has been established and applied for many years. 5. The separate precedent that St Edmund's Master presented to us - that of a Master's wife being allowed to compete in a lower boat - was a case that was specifically permitted at the time with approval of the then captains on the grounds that it would not provide future and wider eligibility for other partners. This was also approximately 20 years ago. 6. St Edmund's were offered every chance and assistance to find another rower from the pool of people without a boat from other colleges. We can cite many other cases of crews finding eligible people without a crew at their own college who would wish to join a club with a guaranteed bumps place. Failure to find someone represents a failure on their part to accommodate or accept a compromise which has been offered to them. There is a large pool of competent and keen rowers from GoR crews who would be willing to take up this seat in their crew. 7. Arguments proposed on the basis of the age and (lack of) experience of the person concerned are not relevant; the simple decision that had to be made is whether the person concerned is eligible under the rules, and this is clearly not the case. 8. Likewise, it has to remain the responsibility of each club to ensure that they either train up sufficient rowers from their own college, or find association with others available from other colleges within the rules, to be able to field valid entries to the competitions they wish to be involved in. While we sympathise with the challenge this can be for small clubs, eligibility rules are common to all competitions, and have to be applied equally (without fear or favour) to all clubs entering. 9. We note that, should captains wish to propose a rule change that would allow approval of a request such as that of St Edmund's in future, then such a rule would therefore have to allow eligibility for 'anyone with a partner who is a student or a Fellow at, or with other strong but informal (including social) relationship with, the College applying'. Clearly, as well as being very hard to enforce (for instance, it would appear to give eligibility to all College supervisors!), this would be a significant change from the current rules and precedents and, as such, would require scrutiny by the Senior Committee. It is not possible to bring in such a rule at this notice for this Lents as (a) no motion has been proposed to do so within the time limits specified in the Constitution, and (b) to do so would breach the general principle we have to operate under that decisions must apply equally to all College clubs (as clearly other clubs have had no access to such potential members). The purpose of our decision is not to penalise one small club, it is based on clear precedents that have been applied to all your clubs in the past. When we do make a decision such as this, which may result in a club having difficulty in fielding a full crew, we offer advice and assistance in finding an alternative solution that is within the rules. This process is needed to protect the fairness and fun of the competition for every generation of students that comes through the University. Regards CUCBC Committee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Sun Feb 22 09:46:40 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:46:40 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Reminder: Lent Bumps Coxing Meetings Message-ID: <9D716152-3AF7-4BE9-93D7-54E9CC7D7CAC@cucbc.org> Dear All A reminder that all coxes competing in the Lent Bumps must attend one of the two coxing meetings tonight. These are taking place in the Large Lecture Theatre in the Divinity School at St John?s. 18:00 - 18:30 Senior coxes (those who have coxed bumps before) 18:30 - 19:00 Novice coxes (first set of bumps) A register of attendance will be taken. Best Michael From stedmunds.captain at cucbc.org Sun Feb 22 11:54:41 2015 From: stedmunds.captain at cucbc.org (Megan Eldred) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:54:41 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Captain's meeting + eligibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EF038E2-78FC-4676-90E7-51F6CF35D44E@cucbc.org> Dear Captains, I am replying to you now, but do not wish to discuss this at the meeting tonight, as I plan to raise this issue in the near future. I consider this to be relevant to the issues we will be talking about regarding the decisions made by CUCBC in recent months regarding bumps and will send out another email shortly to raise specific points that we would like to discuss. In this email I would just like to clarify several points that CUCBC have left out of this statement: They did respond to us with a suggestion that we search for a substitute from another college. We had already been discussing with Captains from various colleges about their ability to lend us a sub. Many of them were unable to confirm if they could lend us a sub at this time. We then sent an email to the Captains list (as per CUCBCs suggestion) asking all Captains if they had a sub who could begin training with us as soon as possible. This email was sent out on the 30th Jan (still 3 weeks before bumps). We had not a single response from any Captain following this email, and so decided to send another appeal to CUCBC stating that we had no offers for a substitute. We then had no response for over a week and prompted them again for a decision. In the mean time we kept on the look out for a substitute. Shortly after this, understandably they became very busy with other matters regarding the emergency Captains meeting and replied to us in an email on the 8th Feb explaining that they would respond to us as soon as they could. They then gave us a confirmed ?no? on the 13th Feb (just 11 days before bumps) with the only justification that it did not fall within the rules. They then suggested that we could now find a sub from any recently scratched crews - a W4 crew was given as a suggestion. This whole process was involving several of our college fellows and the Master who all agreed that this decision was not fair and that not enough justification was given to consider this situation not worthy of an exceptional circumstance - if not the at least to allow the boat to remain safe, instead of bringing in a sub just 11 days before bumps, who has come from a scratched crew, and may not have had experience in high rating pieces - something which we had already been training and had become quite competent at that point. I therefore bring my email to a conclusion and some points for your consideration. I just want to reiterate however, that I will not be raising these points at the meeting tonight, as it will not be the place for this discussion, but I will certainly be raising it at the next Captains meeting: 1 - What do you all think about their latter suggestion that we find a sub from a scratched crew, particularly a W4? Doesn?t this contradict the reasons that they are trying to reduce the amount of inexperienced crews in Lent bumps, and in fact increase the risk of an accident occurring? I believe that putting a W4 sub into a W1 crew who has been training 6 times a week is a frankly outrageous suggestion. This not only goes against any safety concerns, but is insulting to us as a crew who has been training extremely hard all year, but was unfortunate to have one person become injured. 2 - Would you consider this decision 11 days before bumps to be in a timely manner? 3 - What would you consider to be an exceptional circumstance, if not a college who has tried extremely hard to recruit and train up novice rowers, who follow all of CUCBCs suggestions, but is still left in an impossible situation? If you could, please think about these points, and try to understand that we are a small college who struggle, but who try extremely hard to solve these problems to allow our college to continues competing in these brilliant races. We do not wish to discuss this issue at this point, but I felt I should clarify a few points in response to this email. We sent out the previous email simply to gage the interests of other captains in such an issue and to find out what their opinions might be, as rowing in Cambridge should be in the interest of all parties involved. I wish everyone the best of luck in the Lent Bumps races. Regards, Megan. > On 22 Feb 2015, at 09:14, Wilfried Genest wrote: > > Dear Captains, > > Please remember today's meeting (17:00-17:30). Please also see the following message below. > > Best regards, > Wilf. Genest > CUCBC Hon. Sec. > > It has come to our attention that you have been emailed about an eligibility decision concerning St Edmund's W1. > > In the interests of transparency please find below the reasons and timescale behind the decision making process. These have been expressly detailed to St Edmund's in their correspondence with us. > > The situation concerns a person associated with St Edmund's that they would like to compete in their W1 in bumps. This was first brought to our attention by their captain in an email on 19th January where they requested permission for a Fellow to row in their W1, a request that, if confirmed, would be permitted as this is their only womens' crew in bumps. However it was later clarified, and has subsequently been reconfirmed on more that one occasion by St. Edmund's College authorities, that this person is not a Fellow and therefore further clarification was requested, in particular as to whether they are a paid employee of the college (which is the only other accepted category of 'exceptional' rower for non-students). An email received from their Senior Treasurer on 26th January provided all the necessary information to confirm that the person concerned was not of the status (Fellow or bona fide College employee) that is required to accept an 'exceptional rower' request, and we therefore made and promulgated the decision that the request was rejected, along with the reasons, on that same day. We also advised at that point, and have subsequently repeated this advice, that St Edmund's should search amongst other College boat clubs for excess rowers, who would be eligible to compete in their W1 as this is their only boat. > > Therefore we refute in the strongest terms the allegation that the request was not addressed or responded to in a timely basis. St Edmund's BC have subsequently repeatedly appealed this decision, including escalating this with an email from their Master, but our assessment and response has remained the same. There can be no claim that the decision was made very late, rather St Edmund's seem to be simply refusing to accept the decision made, and carrying on regardless assuming that a new decision will somehow be made in their favour however close it is to the races starting. > > The reasons for this decision are as follows: > > 1. Existing rules are clear on the eligibility of Fellows and bona fide College employees, and the person concerned, as admitted by St Edmund's College authorities, is neither a Fellow nor an employee of St Edmund's. > 2. Opening up the eligibility criteria to allow for non-specific people associated with colleges would allow a very large number of people loosely associated with a college to compete without restriction in bumps. Indeed, in recent years several directly parallel requests for people who are partners/spouses of bona fide students or Fellows, or people who are genuine 'supporters' of the College but with no formal employed position, have been rejected. To allow the current request would clearly be unfair to the Colleges affected by those decisions, and in contradiction of those decisions. > 3. Bumps is primarily a STUDENT competition. The rules as have been laid out over many years represent the wishes of the members of CUCBC (i.e. including you, the captains) in ensuring that it remains so. > 4. Many such requests have been rejected in the past on the same basis. Changing the rules on the basis of a single entrant would invalidate the justification behind the precedent that has been established and applied for many years. > 5. The separate precedent that St Edmund's Master presented to us - that of a Master's wife being allowed to compete in a lower boat - was a case that was specifically permitted at the time with approval of the then captains on the grounds that it would not provide future and wider eligibility for other partners. This was also approximately 20 years ago. > 6. St Edmund's were offered every chance and assistance to find another rower from the pool of people without a boat from other colleges. We can cite many other cases of crews finding eligible people without a crew at their own college who would wish to join a club with a guaranteed bumps place. Failure to find someone represents a failure on their part to accommodate or accept a compromise which has been offered to them. There is a large pool of competent and keen rowers from GoR crews who would be willing to take up this seat in their crew. > 7. Arguments proposed on the basis of the age and (lack of) experience of the person concerned are not relevant; the simple decision that had to be made is whether the person concerned is eligible under the rules, and this is clearly not the case. > 8. Likewise, it has to remain the responsibility of each club to ensure that they either train up sufficient rowers from their own college, or find association with others available from other colleges within the rules, to be able to field valid entries to the competitions they wish to be involved in. While we sympathise with the challenge this can be for small clubs, eligibility rules are common to all competitions, and have to be applied equally (without fear or favour) to all clubs entering. > 9. We note that, should captains wish to propose a rule change that would allow approval of a request such as that of St Edmund's in future, then such a rule would therefore have to allow eligibility for 'anyone with a partner who is a student or a Fellow at, or with other strong but informal (including social) relationship with, the College applying'. Clearly, as well as being very hard to enforce (for instance, it would appear to give eligibility to all College supervisors!), this would be a significant change from the current rules and precedents and, as such, would require scrutiny by the Senior Committee. It is not possible to bring in such a rule at this notice for this Lents as (a) no motion has been proposed to do so within the time limits specified in the Constitution, and (b) to do so would breach the general principle we have to operate under that decisions must apply equally to all College clubs (as clearly other clubs have had no access to such potential members). > > The purpose of our decision is not to penalise one small club, it is based on clear precedents that have been applied to all your clubs in the past. When we do make a decision such as this, which may result in a club having difficulty in fielding a full crew, we offer advice and assistance in finding an alternative solution that is within the rules. This process is needed to protect the fairness and fun of the competition for every generation of students that comes through the University. > > Regards > > CUCBC Committee > > __________ > CUCBC Captains' Mailing List > captains at lists.cucbc.org > > List Manager: webmaster at cucbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Mon Feb 23 12:54:07 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:54:07 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Coxes Presentations Slides References: Message-ID: <230EC635-807F-433D-915E-A4B82FC05377@cucbc.org> Dear All Please find attached a copy of the slides from the Bumps Coxes Presentations given last night. Captains and Coaches, please make sure your coxes understand the contents of the slides if they weren?t in attendance (and even if they were for that matter). In particular: 1) Do not under any circumstances row into a stationary crew. 2) Know your finish. Crews 1-9 Top Finish (Railings for M4/W3, Peter?s Posts otherwise), crews 11-18 Bottom Finish (Downstream Spinning post at Ditton for M4/W3, Upstream side of Railway Bridge otherwise), crew 10 can choose (crews 1-9 remain legal targets for crew 10 until they have passed top finish). 3) For the M4/W3 division, the finishes are determined by the station on which you start, not your position in the start order. For example, crew 4 in the W3 start order is on station 10 and it is therefore this crew that has choice of finish! Any questions should be raised sooner rather than later. Best Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: LentsCoxesPresentation2015.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 796167 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilfried at cucbc.org Mon Feb 23 21:40:23 2015 From: wilfried at cucbc.org (Wilfried Genest) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:40:23 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Science in Sport visit - Lent Bumps Message-ID: Dear all, Please see below a message from Rowan Lawson, the CUBC Hon. Sec. (which is indeed not me despite what the Tab may sometimes imply): During the Cambridge Lent Bumps week (25/02-28/02), Science in Sport, the UK's No.1 Endurance Nutrition product supplier and sponsor of the GB Rowing Team, will be coming along to Cambridge. They are bringing a range of their products to sample and buy at reduced prices. They will be selling a range of gels and powder sachets for ?1 each. A representative from the company will also be present each day to offer more information about their products and the importance of nutrition in rowing. http://www.scienceinsport.com/ Please come along to the stall outside the Goldie Boathouse, between 12:30pm and 5pm each day. If you would like to buy any products, please bring some cash with you. Good luck this week! Best regards, Wilf. Genest CUCBC Hon. Sec. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Wed Feb 25 22:29:48 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:29:48 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Lent Bumps 2015 - Wednesday Notes & Fines Message-ID: <8E54282E-1ED9-4D36-871F-74C0CA7D5653@cucbc.org> Notes from the Umpires Bumped out crews are to remain below the railway bridge until the next division pushes out. Do not attempt to overtake the queue to the bridge or you will be fined. Otherwise, today ran very smoothly with a notable lack of unnecessary holdups - keep it up! Fines Clare - Failure to provide marshal - ?15 Clare Hall M1 - Offensive language from bank party towards officials - ?50 Corpus Christi M2 - Dangerous Coxing - ?50 Corpus Christi W1 - Failure to clear - Warning Corpus Christi W2 - Failure to Obey Marshal?s instructions - Warning Downing M2 - Practice start at Railway Bridge - ?50 Downing M2 - Crashing spectacularly during illegal practice start - spend more time practising steering and less time practising starts. First & Third M1 - Poor Groot Impression - Sing ?I want you back - Jackson 5? when passing control with greenery in future Fitz M2 - Early Celebration - ?20 Jesus - Late Marshal - ?5 Jesus M2 - Late to Marshalling - ?10 Jesus M2 - Early Celebration leading to Obstruction - ?50 Lady Margaret W1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Lady Margaret W2 - Failure to Obey Marhsal?s instructions - Warning Pembroke M1 - Failure to Hold it Up & Early Celebration - ?50 Robinson W1 - Late Marshal - ?5 Wolfson M2 - Late to Marshalling - ?10 To appeal any fine please email Dr Dan Wilkins, CUCBC Senior Treasurer (seniortreasurer at cucbc.org) within 48 hours of this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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W1 - Dropped Bung No Advantage - ?15 Lady Margaret M1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Lady Margaret M3 - Dropped Bung No Advantage - ?15 Murray Edwards W2 - Slow to Clear - Warning Pembroke M1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Queens? M1 - Dropped Bung No Advantage - ?15 Selwyn M1 - Failure to Clear (parked, pushed off, flailed around, parked again) - Warning Selwyn W1 - No Life Jacket - ?50 St. Catherines W1 - Slow to Concede - Warning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at cucbc.org Fri Feb 27 22:08:34 2015 From: michael at cucbc.org (Michael Thornton) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:08:34 +0000 Subject: [CUCBC Captains] Lent Bumps 2015 - Friday Notes & Fines Message-ID: <81CC6177-0280-4891-9600-EA9F85ADD751@cucbc.org> Notes from the Umpires As usual, there will be no re-rows tomorrow. A reminder that crews must paddle on after being bumped. Make sure you generate space behind for bumping crew to clear also. If bumping at a pinch point e.g. Apex of Grassy and there is nothing coming up behind, paddle on a few strokes to a safer location. Excess bank party fines will be strictly enforced tomorrow. Another reminder that bumped out crews returning home must wait below the railway bridge for the next division to push off, even if there isn?t an umpire there telling them to stop. Fines Caius M2 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Churchill W1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Emma W2 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Emma W2 - Excessive Bank Party - ?45 Emma W2 - Excessive Bank Party - ?60 Emma W1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Emma W1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?45 Emma W1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?60 First & Third M1 - Wasting CUCBC Time - Race in distinctive kit tomorrow; perhaps red. Fitzwilliam M1 - Slow to hold it Up - ?20 Homerton M1 - Excessive Bank Party - ?30 Jesus W3 - Racing with broken Coxbox - Warning Murray Edwards W2 - Failure to Paddle on - ?25 Murray Edwards W2 - Failure to clear (after paddling) - ?25 Pembroke M2 - Colliding with Stationary Crew (blade on blade) - Warning St. Catharines W1 - Failure to Clear (holding it up on being bumped) - ?60 LMBC W1 - Excessive Bank Party (second offence) - ?45 LMBC M1 - Excessive Bank Party (second offence)- ?45 To appeal any fine please email Dr Dan Wilkins, CUCBC Senior Treasurer (seniortreasurer at cucbc.org) within 48 hours of this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: